Who is Dr John Butler
These seminars and workshops are held by Dr John Butler who is the director and leading hypnotherapist of the HTI. The HTI was founded in the 1960 by the legendary Gil Boyne, of whom John Butler is the successor and whose legacy he is continuing.
Interviews mit Dr John Butler
I conducted two interviews with Dr John Butler in which we learn more about the person who was chosen by Gil Boyne to continue his legacy, the Transforming Therapy™ and Westwood Publishing.
The following two interviews are the audio only versions.
The transcript is currently being edited
who is dr. John Butler part 2 if you have followed the posts under transforming therapy hypnosis approach the post on the causes of the other interviews with dr. John Butler you may have come to wonder who dr. John Butler is who is this person who has such an extensive knowledge in hypnosis and that is exactly the question that we are going to tackle in these two interviews of who is dr. John Butler my name is axel Hama I’m the head and leading hypnotists and coach of the have nose a 10-ton cone I’m currently online with dr. Tom Butler of the HTI which is the hypnotherapy training international the leading school in hypnotherapy and hypnosis worldwide the HDI was originally founded by Gil Bowen of who he is the successor Kilbourne himself was one of the most influential figures in modern hypnotherapy and modern hypnosis and John Bartlett carries on his legacy John Butler was one of my hypnosis teachers and I consider him one of the best if not the best teacher hypnosis that I’ve ever had and not only in hypnosis I consider him one of the best teachers I’ve ever had generally speaking he is currently sitting not next to me he’s sitting in London and so please let’s welcome in and say hello to John John hello hello Axl so as we talked prior to this recording this is about you it’s about your background in hypnosis how you came to know this what your own experiences were who you trained with who you met noses but also in psychology and psychotherapy and how that influenced your work so starting with that you were very young as I recall when you first started with hypnosis when you had your first interest in hypnosis and perhaps you could start telling a little bit about how you got involved with hypnosis well that’s a very long story axel okay make it short I’ll make it as short as I can indeed well when I was very young I always had a strong feeling that there was there were a lot of potentials in the human mind that weren’t being used so that part of my interest was in exploring the the mind the person at the very deepest of levels I was brought up with of course with a very straight view of religion that you know told you what to think about life but I was quite independent and rebellious as well in my teenage years I became interested in many many systems and philosophies and I developed an interest in the Eastern tradition of philosophy in psychology and looked at all kinds of religious systems of East and West looking for answers and discover more about the mind and I studied yoga I got involved with different in my teens I was very involved with meditation systems I was interested in martial arts as well and of course there is a part of that those systems that involves using the mind in specific ways through concentrations from stirring the mind through different kinds of meditation so all of that was part of my interest and I went to listen in my teenage years to different gurus and Yogi’s and I discovered a lot of dross of course but I also found things that were very interesting and in missed all of that there was a very strong interest in hypnosis because of the unusual things that hypnosis seemed to do could make happen within the individual being able to control pain being able to influence physiological functions in the body and also the changes of behavior would sometimes create that people who are may be very inhibited in a hypnotic state or trance or whatever one wants to call it after a hypnotic procedure they could become very different kinds of people so that got me interested in using hypnosis are they as deep the level as I could I could manage and I trained with several people over the years I had elements of training from people who are policemen people were doctors who dabbled in it or who knew a certain amount at least but were not what I would say formerly trained and there was very little in the way of formal training courses back then I did find one or two courses that went over about a hundred hours 120 hours and while I was studying practical psychology not just academic psychology I studied certain systems of psychotherapy which all fed into my knowledge of the use of hypnosis in therapy I was fortunate to find Gill bones work and through discovering his work I became very acquainted with Gill himself and there’s a very in-depth training with gilt analyze his work in great detail which was of great interest to him so he had me invited me to teach with him and so over many years we taught many classes together occasionally more basic courses but more often master classes in different cities in America and in several parts of the world so that was a very important part of my training in hypnotherapy you’ve learned several different methods of psychotherapy – and you are also you hold a degree not a degree or certificate from the European Association of psychotherapy how did you get involved in this kind of psychotherapy is the EAP is not anybody in the world it’s a very specialized organization yes well I I trained in several forms of psychotherapy one of my trains was in origin isa psychotherapy I trained with other schools of psychotherapy as well more of the integrative model although I had a lot of psychotherapy training that was in the old-fashioned psychodynamic or psychoanalytical model and I had a lot of therapy which is that was a major part of the training so I was well versed and immersed in psychotherapy as well out of that training I was able to register with some of the regulatory bodies the UK Council for psychotherapy in the UK and you just mentioned that one then the European Association for psychotherapy and that’s where that certification comes from I’m still a member of that body so when when did you hear the first time of Gilda born was it by accident or did someone tell you about him or how did you just come in well as I remember it I came across an old poorly duplicated video cassette back in the late 80s and I looked at this person doing therapy and I was very pleasantly surprised at the quality of the work I found the work his work be very powerful his concerts were clear it was very client oriented and dealt directly with the subconscious material and I felt this is a very effective way of using hypnotherapy I had already trained in several schools of hypnotherapy and some of the answer was very ericksonian which I felt has its place and other forms of hypnotherapy and some was old-fashioned psychoanalytic basis to it and through Gill I came across the work of David Ullman who had been a strong influence on Bill Boeing himself but Gil her training with many famous psychotherapists and psychologists and psychiatrists and he brought that into his work as well so he had extensive training there vast amount of knowledge he wasn’t focused on the academic way of thinking because in his life he hadn’t had the opportunity despite winning scholarships to universities he had the opportunity to take up those possibilities he was self-taught we had a great range of knowledge of academic theory and he had the gift of being able to extract what was useful and strip away things that were more theoretically speculative and including sometimes the verbiage the unnecessary verbiage that sometimes goes with intellectual speculation so Gil had done a lot of work himself on trying to understand what hypnosis actually is and above all else he’d been a clinical practitioner of many years by the time I met him and that skill and experience and knowledge all showed and to me it was impressive so I chose him as one of my main teachers I would say my primary teacher in hypnotherapy and through him of course I’ve got to know great deal about the history of hitting the therapy because Gil was well he was an encyclopedia of knowledge not only about hypnotherapy and psychological therapies generally but Gil had a personal knowledge of some of the most famous hypnotherapist in the United States over the years and it was quite fascinating to hear him talking about his experiences with them either as a client in therapy or in his communications with them over the years so that was one major part of my training in hypnotherapy my work with gill boy I remember you telling me that you analyzed his wagon that impressed Gill so he asked you to teach with him and that was yes it was a funny matter how that occurred because although I didn’t know me then for some years and we’ve been become good friends over a quiet period of time I was at a conferences I remember that he heard recording had been made of me teaching a class on advanced analytical hypnotherapy and as part of the course that I was giving I analyzed one of his case studies which had been filmed and I had produced a handout to go with their teaching that I gave on this case study and guilt happened to get hold of the recording and the transcript II the document that I produced and he was immediately impressed rang me up and said oh I think you understand more about my work than I do and he said I’d like you to come and teach with me when I give master classes I think you’ll add an extra important dimension to my teaching of my work in hypnotherapy basically guilded a lot of his teaching from his many case studies he filmed over the years interspersed with lectures and demonstrations but those training videos of his case studies are still remarkable by today’s by any standards and that I did I over the years made an analysis a detailed analysis of many of those classic case studies so that was how you started teaching with Kilbourne yes how long did you teach with him oh all told it was about 10 years the last 10 years that we traveled taught together in many cities in America and in the UK and in other countries as well Gill was into his early 70s by then but very active in his teaching and as I say we taught together over that decade coat were you then when you met him oh well when I first met him oh I would have been in my late 30s but the time when I began teaching with him was quite a bit over I would say probably about late 40s so you have a lot of extensive knowledge about transforming therapy probably now that you taught with him for over 10 years you’re probably the most knowledgeable person there is currently on earth on transforming therapy well thank you Axl I certainly have been keeping transforming therapy out there in the public in the way Gil wanted it at the public perspective in mind and really he license me to teach his work and encouraged me to take it and develop it and we keep evolving in our work developing the system’s further and transforming therapy is the brand label if you like for the form of analytical hypnotherapy that we teach our students and practice in our clinical work and it does take in my view hypnotherapy to a very high level of effectiveness and takes it away beyond programming with simple scripts there’s a lot of programming of an advanced level analytically from the therapy but also learning to uncover and analyze material from the past that has become problematic at a subconscious level and it cannot be changed sufficiently by purely intellectual rational or even so-called cognitive levels of operation of the mind so analytical hypnotherapy and specifically transforming therapy is really a kind of our trademark at this point and you are holding up the flag and develop it further yes indeed so as I understood you are not only trained in analytical hypnotherapy on transforming therapy but you’ll also have a background in ericksonian hypnosis RP well Eric Sony of the therapy is quite a strange concept to deal with because Erickson didn’t believe himself that there was such a thing although we use the label to describe an approach which is really an approach that is saying be creative work with what the client gives you and don’t try and impose your own series and outcomes the outcomes you might have for the client let them make the journey and you work very flexibly with them now sometimes interpreter that is you only work with metaphors and indirect suggestions and I think that’s very much tribulus in his work he was very inventive it could be very direct and very indirect and of course he worked with very difficult clients a lot of the time patients who were mentally disturbed so one can understand that some of the methodology he used wasn’t always as necessary for the general population of clients that most therapists would come to to see so I think sometimes Erikson’s work gets distorted by people taking a very rigid view of just looking at what Erickson was doing borrowing their own theories and then calling that their model of it they’re calling that that’s ericksonian I feel over the years I had the good fortune to train with people who knew Erickson well who were trained with him and I learned a lot of important things from them which feed into the work that we do but I would not ever trained people in ericksonian hypnotherapize because I feel at this point it’s almost misleading as such and it doesn’t really fit with Erickson’s view himself of his work I think he would describe themselves the hidden the therapist who was creative and he would want people to learn hypnosis in the most creative and the least dogmatic inflexible manner which was how it was often taught in the past in a very simplistic painting by numbers approach so Erickson was very creative and inventive in that way we can learn a lot from that and as he would say be your own therapist being a hibachi and therapists are but Larian therapist northern ericksonian you would say and something else you have had several appearances in documentaries and one of them shows you where you undergo heinous surgery and you put yourself into South hypnosis into kind of a pain less mode in hypnosis while the surgeons work on you so you are very specialized in hypno anesthetics and pain management isn’t that the case yes I Excel over the years in the UK I’ve been one of the people promoting hypnosis in this application very actively so in the modern ear I’m one of several people that modern day pioneers if you want to call it that emphasizing the value of hypnosis for pain management in both surgical chronic pain and surgeries we see a great deal of value of hypnosis not only for the pain management but to help people deal with the invasive effects of surgery their post-operative complications distress the anxieties the stress on the mind and body and then we give them much better recovery in healing we need more research of course to justify some of the statements we make that’s if we put it out as a hard-and-fast finding we would need more research on it but what we can definitely say at the moment all of our observations clinically careful observations show people better greatly from using hypnosis in surgery and then with many difficult medical procedures in fact across wide range of medical applications but the pain control is one of the most wonderful things to see that the human being has the power to undergo not only more minor surgeries but very very severe surgeries that within us we have the power to control that pain so that it is no longer pain it is simply experienced as just the activity of the surgeon working and we can know that they’re working and not feel discomfort and pain and at the same time being then very relaxed and coming through that surgery in a way that’s so different than if you have to be given chemicals and sedated and coming out of that then feeling an awful lot of discomfort afterwards now we don’t say it’s there to replace anesthetics because they are a great benefit to humanity compared to the days before chemical anesthesia however we should recognize there are still limitations and potential complications with chemical anesthesia pretty poor elderly and weaker people and certainly hypnosis could help them with a combination of hypnosis and chemical anesthesia and that is a very practical and non stressful thing for both the patient and the surgeon to contemplate and in those cases where there is an unusual need to avoid the ordinary chemo anesthetics we have that wonderful option that with some proper training a person can undergo surgery without chemical anesthesia talking about some proper training I assume that you give also specialized classes in pain management for the general hypnotic practitioner as well as more specialized causes for medical practitioners yes we do include in our medical therapy courses quite a component devoted to hypnotist Asia as we call it now we also run courses for surgeons and leases on an irregular basis and also pretend tests that they can learn to use it in their clinical applications that’s something we’ve done with marvellous results we’ve seen several of my students work and have painless dentistry even quite severe dentistry and also to help them with severe surgical procedures and all-in-all I believe that we are the organization this training school in the UK that really makes that a major proper kind of signature part of our medical in the therapy training the powerful use of hypnosis for anesthesia with that you have how many years of experience now that in the year 2016 it’s about 40 years of practical experience and hypnosis isn’t it yes well I date my first professional clinical use of hypnosis in 1980 prior to that around about a 10 years before that I’d used it in several settings not always calling it hypnosis sometimes we would call it guided imagery visualization combined with meditation and of course the name hypnosis is very much a Western name given to the experience of hypnosis I’d use it for quite a long time before that however nine teenagers now 36 years of sniglet a clinical practice yes and from 1990 was when I first having had about 10 years of good sufficient clinical practice I felt ready to teach people from the basis of knowledge and experience not just from book learning and minimal clinical experience thank you very much John before we come to an end are there some last words for today that you would like to share with our Watchers and listeners well Axel I hope anybody out there who is not already a hypnotherapist will feel interested and compelled to look further into this very important topic to really understand it’s great value and to use it for themselves in their lives and for people who are also interested in learning more about it you already have training it but that day you can contact us and find out more about how they can take their skills to the very highest levels well and having trained with you I can highly recommend your classes you very much axle youmuu’s welcome thank you again John and bye for now thank you goodbye
Dr. John Butler is a Doctor of Medical Science who works as hypno-anaesthetist. He lectures at various colleges in the UK. He is the CEO of Westwood Publishing. He teaches advanced Hypnotherapy and Transforming Therapy throughout the world. √
John Butler has worked as hypnotherapist for 35 years. He has been a hypnosis trainer for 25 years and worked as a co-trainer closely with Gil Boyne for 10 years.
He is the Director of Studies at HTI (Hypnotherapy Training International). He created and taught the first NHS course in hypnotherapy, is a recognised pioneer in medical hypnotherapy, and has been appeared many times in TV documentaries, and magazine features.
Internationally, Dr. John Butler is regarded by many collegueas as one of the most competent, experienced and friendliest hypnotherapists and hypnosis trainers.
He is the publisher of the green bible of hypnosis, Hypnotherapy, the book by Dave Elman.
PhD (Med Sci., Lond.), MBSH, MBPsS, MA, BA(Hons.), BSc(Hons.), DHP, Dip A.T., CHT, FNRHP
Registered with U.K.C.P., E.A.P., B.A.S., A.C.H.E.
PhD (Med Sci., Lond.) – Doktor in Medizin-Wissenschaft (Medizinische Forschung)
MBSH – Member of the British Society of Hypnosis
MBPsS – Member of the British Psychological Society (one has to be a psychologist)
Ma – Master
BA – Bachelor
DHP – Diploma in Hypnosis and Psychotherapy
Dip A.T. – Diploma in Autogenic Therapy
CHT – Clinical Hypnotherapist (ACHE)
FNRHP – Fellow of the National Register of Hypnotherapists and Psychotherapist in the UK
U.K.C.P. – UK Council for Psychotherapy
E.A.P. – European Association of Psychotherapists (nur als psychologischer Psychotherapeut)
B.A.S. – British Autogenic Society
A.C.H.E. – American Council of Hypnotist Examiners
Brief Biographical Summary
Dr John Butler is a highly regarded hypnotherapist with over 35 years of proven experience as a successful clinical practitioner.
He has been a therapist to many high-level performers in performing arts, the media and business.
He has been a highly regarded teacher of clinical hypnotherapy for over 25 years.
He has been a hypnotherapy educator to a wide variety of health professionals including writing and tutoring the first official training in hypnotherapy in the NHS in 1992, teaching at the Royal College of Nursing in London.
Dr. Butler trained in experimental neuroanatomy, neurosurgery and neuroscience methodologies and carried out research in medical science specialising in the field of neuroendocrinology, in which he holds a doctoral degree from the University of London.
He has lectured in higher education for over 20 years and has taught medical psychology, neuroanatomy and medical neuroscience in medical education. He has taught psychological therapies specialising in clinical hypnosis for over 20 years, teaching in the UK and internationally. This included writing and tutoring the first official training in clinical hypnotherapy in the NHS in 1992, at the Royal College of Nursing in London.
He is an instructor in surgical applications of hypnosis and has taught clinical hypnosis applications to surgeons and anaesthetists in a course accredited by the Royal College of Anaesthetists.
He is the principal instructor for Hypnotherapy Training International which operates training programmes internationally.
He is an approved hypnotherapy instructor for the American Council of Hypnotist Examiners and several other accrediting bodies.
He has been lectured to major businesses including Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, BUPA, Ernst & Young, etc.
He has acted as an expert witness and as an advisor to the police in legal cases involving hypnosis.
Standards Setting & Regulation Activity
He has been active for 30 years in the development of professional psychological therapies the UK and internationally and has served on committees and boards of government and private initiatives in setting training standards for this field.
He was a key figure in the development of the profession of hypnotherapy in the UK. Since the early 1980s he has been highly influential in the areas of establishing educational and training standards for hypnotherapists and in achieving public and political recognition of hypnotherapy as a major healing art.
He organised the first conference of heads and delegates of hypnotherapy schools and registers in 1986 to formally initiate processes of standard-setting for the training and professional regulation of hypnotherapists in the UK.
He played a major role in many private and government-sponsored initiatives concerned with training requirements, occupational standards and self-regulation of hypnotherapists that were established in the late 1980s and 1990s. His contribution to the profession in the UK was formally recognized in 2004 by an award from a national confederation of hypnotherapists.
Training & Education
He trained in a variety of systems of psychological therapies, including autogenic therapy and other systems of psychotherapy and made an intensive study of many healing systems. He studied hypnotherapy with several schools and learned directly from many renowned medical hypnotherapists. He specialised in clinical hypnotherapy and undertook lengthy training with Gil Boyne. He studied personally with Gil Boyne and taught with him on many occasions. Dr. Butler was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award of the ACHE in 2011.
He has been registered as a psychotherapist in several modalities with the United Kingdom for Psychotherapy and received certification from the European Association for Psychotherapy and holds membership of the British Psychological Society. His academic background includes degrees in science and psychology and medical science with higher degrees in psychology and medical science. He holds a doctoral degree in medical research from University of London.
Media Appearances & Contributions
In his clinical work Dr Butler has been influential in establishing the effectiveness of hypnotherapy as a healing method in the perception of the public and health professional alike.
His work was first filmed over 20 years ago and since then has been reported many times in the media, including a major BBC television series, “Mysteries”, in 1997 and Channel 4’s breakthrough live broadcast with John Butler using hypnosis as a sole anaesthetic while surgery was performed on a patient in April 2006 (“HypnoSurgery Live”, More 4 / Channel 4 TV).
He has made more than 30 television appearances as an expert in hypnotherapy with several programmes focused on his use of hypnotherapy as an anaesthetic for chronic pain and in invasive surgeries.
He has been widely quoted in the media as an authoritative source of information on hypnosis.
Dr Butler has written numerous articles on hypnotherapy for magazines and newspapers and contributed to many publications and television programmes on hypnosis and related subjects.
He is the clinical author of the popular book “Secrets of Hypnotherapy” (Pub. Dorling Kindersley).
Some of his clinical work has been featured in “Time” magazine and “Science” magazine. He is the clinical author of the popular book “Secrets of Hypnotherapy”. (Pub. Dorling Kindersley).
He has contributed to several books, written many articles in popular and learned publications, and published papers in the field of neuroscience and hypnoanaesthesia.
Scientific And Professional Publications
Medical Research – Sample Publications
Kalló I, Butler JA, Barkovics-Kalló M, Goubillon ML, Coen CW. Oestrogen receptor β-immunoreactivity in gonadotropin releasing hormone-expressing neurones: regulation by oestrogen.
J Endocrinol13: pp741–748, 2001.
Butler JA, Sjoberg M, Coen CW.
Evidence for oestrogen receptor alpha-immunoreactivity in gonadotrophin-releasing hormone-expressing neurones.
J Neuroendocrinol.11(5): pp331-335. 1999
Butler JA, Kalló I, Sjoberg M, Coen CW.
Evidence for extensive oestrogen receptor alpha-immunoreactivity in the cerebral cortex of adult rats.
J Neuroendocrinol.11(5): pp325-329. 1999
Clinical Hypnotherapy – Sample Publications
Clinical hypnosis in practice
Therapy Today: Journal of British Association of Counselling and Psychotherapy(Sept) pp22-25, 2012
The Dentist(Aug); pp58 – 60, 2012
Stress reduction means risk reduction
Dental Protection(Aug); p23. 2012
Pain control and dental hypnosis
Aesthetic Dentistry Today(July); pp80-82, 2012
Kiss G, Butler JA.
Hypnosis for cataract surgery in an American Society of Anesthesiologists physical status IV patient
Anaesth Intensive Care 39: 1139-1141, 2011